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posted by [personal profile] elanya at 08:58pm on 11/01/2008 under , , ,

Marginalannie

Yesterday was the big day at the conference for me. I was part of the symposium that interested me most. There is some stuff tomorrow afternoon that is on my ‘must see’ list, but otherwise I’m just sort of killing time with random talks. I went to one this morning that was on “The Kittens of Colonialism”, which was cute and interesting, looking at the role of pets in European and Colonial European society, especially in terms of man’s relationship to nature and ‘the wild’. I just got back from a symposium on “East Asian” shipbuilding (quotation marks because there was some discussion as to whether this term was useful way of approaching the varied cultures of that geographical region).

Otherwise, I’ve been pretty much on my own all day. I was up before my roomie, and procured breakfast and later lunch on my own. It’s kind of odd. I know a lot of people here, some of whom I am legitimately friends with. But I didn’t bring any friends of my own, so I’m kind of stuck lurking on the edges of other social circles, and I’m a bit tired of it. And this is only day two. This is possibly why I have retreated to my room at 3 and am typing up this little entry on my non-internet-enabled computer instead of sitting through a few other talks in dark rooms about stuff I’m only peripherally interested in.

I have a few things I wanted to talk about: the conference itself, and also the social aspects. I’ve kind of touched on both of my points already, but I want to expand on both. However right this minute I am gong to an early dinner. Although I am stuffed with fancy delicious cupcakes! However I will come back to this, because I really do have more to say. I’m making a point form entry of things I want to talk about, but which you will never see, ha ha!

Alright then. I have returned, some three hours later. I went to that Brazillian place again with a bunch of other A&M peeps, including one of the profs (a fellow Canuckistani) who would up picking up the bill. Huzzah! This could be a good jumping off point for either of the two themes I want to look at more, but I’ll start with the conference itself, and Albuquerque. There also doesn’t seem to be as many session this year, or at east not ones I am interested in, and there really isn’t much to see in the immediate vicinity. The food provided hasn’t been up to standards either, for the various social events. I’m told the banquet diner last night was also underwhelming. Come on – students expect to live off of free food, how can they do that when all you give us is a meager selection of cheese and some dry nachos? And charge $3 for a bottle of water?

The hotel is right downtown, near a lot of restaurants and bars, but that’s about it. Well, okay, there is the gourmet cupcake shop, but how many cupcakes can I really eat? Don’t answer that. The last three SHA’s I’ve been to have been better located. Last year was in Williamsburg, and we could wander the village at will. The year before we were in Sacramento, and there were shops and a historic district with some touristy bits, and little museums and such which were all pretty close. Not so here! From where I’m standing, the city doesn’t seem to have a soul. I’m told Old Town is more interesting, and since there aren’t any papers I want to see tomorrow morning, I’m planning to bus out there and have a look around. Here’s hoping.

Moving on to the more interesting social issues. I’m kind of a loner. Only kind of. I like people (some more than others, and generally not strangers). I’m not very outgoing. I don’t like small talk – which I’ll define as meaningless conversation. I don’t like to talk to people about things unless I think they are legitimately interested. The converse is also true, where I don’t like to listen to people unless they actually have something interesting to say. Most of my life is pretty boring, except for the bits that I don’t have in common with 90% of the people I know at or through school. This is all to say I’m not a natural schmoozer, and even with people I do know I can run out of things to say quite quickly.

I know a fair amount of people here, from ECU and A&M, as I said above (if this is repetitive remember that I’m writing it in multiple sittings, and forgive me ;p). I’m friends with a few, but they all have other friends here, and they are more social. I was kind of a marginal person at ECU, because I didn’t get integrated into the core social group through various rites of passage, like fieldschools and some core classes which I managed to evade. That’s fine – I did have some good friends there, and still do. But it means that I am marginalized at these reunions as well. I haven’t stayed in as close contact as some other, partly because I’m also not integrated into the ‘cellphone culture’ – or in to the drinking culture. I can’t reminisce about adventures because I didn’t share in them. If I had good moments with some of my friends, they aren’t the sort of thing you laugh about at conferences three years later, really. Other people are more outgoing, they get more attention.

Oh here is another thing about ECU. There was a girl there who was slightly ahead of me. She was generally very popular, though I really was not a big fan for various reasons. She was never antagonistic towards me (unlike some of my other friends), but never anything else either. However because she did share more in various class rites of passage, she is more integrated than me into the social group. It is kind of awkward. I don’t think she ever said more than three words to me the whole time we were in school together. I was talking to an ex-classmate (not really a friend) on Wednesday when she came in. He went to greet her. I sort of felt like I should have left at that point, but I’d already been joined by my roommate, who, of course, couldn’t possibly be expected to understand the complexities of ECU’s fucked up social dynamics. It was awkward. Today, we both wound up on the elevator together alone. We both said hi, and that was it. It just seems so *weird* to me that I should have such a complete non-relationship with someone that I went to school with for a year and a half, even if we never did have any classes with. I was out at the bar last night, and sat beside her for ten minutes and we never interacted. And she knows A&M people, which makes it extra awkward. LeeAnne asked me about her once, and I didn’t really know what to say. ‘Yes, we were both in this tiny incestuous little program together and we’ve never had a conversation.’ It is just… awkward. It seems a little late to try and strike up any kind of relationship with her at this point, but the only reason I can think of doing it would be as sort of a social lubricant, not because I have any interest in her. I‘m still not convinced she is a nice person…. But then I’ve never talked to her, have I? I’d kind of like to ask her sometime why she seemed to decide that I was never worth investing any effort into as a person. But then I never did it either. Weird, weird…

I’m kind of a marginal person at A&M too. Most of my incoming class are more interested in classical stuff, and since I’m closer friends with my class, I don’t have a lot of friends who share my research interests. Which means I have no friends here. Of the few who do, one is pretty much done with her degree and has left College Station, and the other is not really a Conference type, and it seems like she’s been doing better at expanding her departmental social circle and I don’t know where I fit in anymore. My roommate here is nice, but I don’t *really* know her. She’s got her own special brand of social awkwardness that makes her a bit marginalized as well. Even so, she is better at integrating herself in to other groups (or at least more confident about trying), and she has a close friend from her MA program here to hang out with. However, as I was writing the first part of this, and before dinner, she told me she feels the same way I do about the A&M people.

There are a bunch of other A&M people here, but they’re all from upper years, and like the ECU crowd, they’re friendly but they are a more tight knit group who have a lot of shared experiences that I lack. And I’m not good at integrating, as I’ve said. If this wasn’t the case, I wouldn’t be writing this three page social self-analysis while there are hundreds of people downstairs I could be chatting with. My range of conversation is limited, for reasons I’ve party outlined above. I’m just not jacked in to the mainline culture in an accessible way. Last night for example, we were at a bar and people were commenting on all the modern pop trash that was being played…none of which I’d heard before. Not more than once, at least. I wish I knew a better way of dealing with this stuff, but it mostly makes me want to me *more*, not less antisocial.

I tried to post this earlier, which you all saw. Since then, I've been to the gym, and had a bath n the tub which lets me stretch out fully. I am more relaxed i not more social. I was going to go down to the dance, but there is an awards ceremony first, which I am not inclined to care about. I even got dressed all pretty and blowdried my hair even, befoe I remembered that bit. Anyway, I have sucked up up and bought some internets.... and here I am. Wooh! Later on I will make a post about highlights of the conference. There have been some, really :) And I will go down to the dance.
Mood:: 'calm' calm
location: Hyatt Regency Albuquerque
Music:: Skinny Puppy - Slugwrench Love in Vein Remix
There are 12 comments on this entry. (Reply.)
 
posted by [identity profile] lickthefrog.livejournal.com at 04:49am on 12/01/2008
I feel like I am going through the same things here... I have little groups, but I'm slightly outside all of them, there is only one or two people I'd consider a really good friend... but I've barely talked to them... I mean I do now have a bf, but we're still in the getting to know you stage.... I hear you hun!
 
posted by [identity profile] aghrivaine.livejournal.com at 05:02am on 12/01/2008
Despite being a fairly sociable person, I too have found myself slipping away from big crowds of strangers with whom I share some interest - like at a conference or convention. I've done the exact same thing... and thought to myself, "Why aren't I downstairs whooping it up?"

But you know, if it's not your style, it's not your style. I have limited exposure to the higher levels of academia, so maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about...but something tells me that the World Science Fiction Convention is probably not socially all that different than academic conferences.
 
posted by [identity profile] elanya.livejournal.com at 07:41am on 13/01/2008
More career advancing social networking to be done here, I suspect! But not by people like me -_- I get the energy to do it in spurts. It is one of those things I should do more of from a career standpoint, though :/ Fortunately, since I am still in school for a while longer, it isn't as immediately important.
 
posted by [identity profile] autobuck.livejournal.com at 06:58am on 12/01/2008
I don't think you're a marginal sort of person, maybe just a little outside of your natural habitat. At least, that's one way I justify my own hermitude, because I feel like I'm reasonably social when I have the right people around. But that's important, because I am really bad at pretending I care about Perez Hilton or that dating show that comes on late night TV sometimes. So sometimes when I'm out I think I'd rather be on irc... and I think that's OK, because people who appreciate toast and pornography are few and far between, after all.
 
posted by [identity profile] elanya.livejournal.com at 07:43am on 13/01/2008
True, but my natural habitat is kind of a marginal subculture, which doesn't help ;) While I do like these people, I know just what you mean about IRC :x I spent money on it, even!
 
posted by [identity profile] autobuck.livejournal.com at 01:20am on 14/01/2008
Ah, the sign of a true addict.

/me is paying almost $80/mo for broadband that mostly gets used for irc. ;)
 
posted by [identity profile] longpig.livejournal.com at 10:20am on 12/01/2008
I have an idea of what you mean... I am ostensibly an artist, but I don't have much in common with most other art people beyond that, and even then I don't 'live' in the art world like they seem to do... Part of why I feel like such a fraud all the time, perhaps. And in my 'social' circle sometimes I just feel so old and like no one around *really* knows me. Did you know there are people here who refuse to believe that I could say mean things? What?

I could say tons more but I won't want to depress myself.

Anyway I think you're awesome :p
Edited Date: 2008-01-12 12:07 pm (UTC)
 
posted by [identity profile] elanya.livejournal.com at 07:44am on 13/01/2008
Yeah, I think we are on the same page here. Who is surprised? ;)

Sometimes it is harder than others though, you know? I've actually been okay today, and even last night when I went to the bar.
 
posted by [identity profile] wererogue.livejournal.com at 12:15pm on 12/01/2008
I find that the reason I don't tend to become deeply integrated into any one social circle is that I'm not usually willing to invest entirely into them. My close friends are those people who I care about outside of context, and it's extremely nice for me that all of Hazel's close friends that I've met have slid smoothly into that category.

The only exceptions have been in the groups that I have been willing to fully invest in, my band, the larp group, etc. Aberddu is a great example - when I accepted a position as a ref, I acknowledged straight away that I had a huge responsibility to those playing the game, and I've invested a lot into being a good, approachable ref and treating the players fairly. The obvious outcome of that is that I know every player reasonably well, and have at least a fair relationship with all of them, putting myself inevitably close to the centre of a social circle.

Conversely, at my other societies, I was never really interested in making as big a contribution, and while I liked a lot of people I met, and some of them are my friends still, I never got involved with the social hierarchy - and eventually I realised that I like it that way. I've noticed myself frequently declining to attend a social event not because I don't like the people who are going to be there or the reason for the event, but purely because I don't want to be expected to turn up every time to support the social circle. I'd rather be dependable to the people I like than to people I'm bound to by any kind of cause.
 
posted by [identity profile] elanya.livejournal.com at 07:48am on 13/01/2008
Oh man, that is so true. With school stuff I almost feel obliged to get more integrated, even though the people aren't naturally 'my people', because our field is so small and I'm going to be in contact and influenced by these people for the rest of my career in some way or other. But I still haven't invested myself with most of them in the same way that I have with other friends groups. TBH, the last time I really felt invested and part of a large social circle that was completely new to me was in Sheffield, and even then I often felt on the fringes of something that was already strongly established... I was only there for a year though., I but I still have a lot of real friends from that one year.
 
posted by [identity profile] tethys123.livejournal.com at 03:38pm on 12/01/2008
Well, I don't share your research interests, but I do enjoy your company. A&M is very isolating for me as well; I wonder if we all secretly feel that way? The thought of staying here long term gives me the heebies. The department in general, profs included, is very clique-ish. It's difficult to make social inroads when you come up against a wall of indifference everytime.

Regardless, I consider you my friend; I wouldn't paint an apartment for anyone less.
 
posted by [identity profile] elanya.livejournal.com at 04:45pm on 12/01/2008
I has a bullet point where I meant to talk about how all my friends at A&M that I am actually close to are Classicists! Or rather what I meant was more that the friends I do have aren't *here* at the conference, because you don't care so much about hist arch. Sorry if that came out wrong, you are definitely on my awesome people list :D

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