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Battlestar Galactica. 12 Cylons. a 'final' five. And yet the Boomer/Sharon model is 8.

1 = Cavil,
2 = Leoben
3 = D'Anna
4 = Simon
5 = Doral
6 = Six (duh)
7 = ?
8 = Boomer
9 = ?
10 = ?
11 = ?
12 = ?

Discuss, primarily with a view to contemplating why Sharon gets to be Model #8.

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My theory is 'GM error'. They assigned some numbers to people before the whole 'final five' theory emerged, and are now having to deal with the consequences of not having five consecutive numbers left any more. Look for them to pull something out of their asses, though: that's what I would do!

Hee! I was sort of thinking the same thing, but I wonder *how* they will explain it now. I have heard other theories - I think it is interesting that we have 4 cylon crew and 4 consecutive numbers though.

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If it were my game, my solution to the problem (because that's also what I think happened) would be to say that the Sharon model (8) was somehow defective - other Cylons have speculated as much, of course - and so got demoted to 'regular' Cylon instead of Final Five ;)

Edited Date: 2008-04-26 04:36 pm (UTC)

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Could be, could be ... would the same logic apply to Six and her 'split' or whatever?

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Do you mean Baltar's Six? I think that's due to that particular Six sheltering him from the nuclear blast, not something inherent in her model.

Edited Date: 2008-04-26 04:43 pm (UTC)

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Sure, but why was there a final five anyway? What's their purpose? :o

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Presuming that the four crew who think they're cylons are actually cylons and this isn't some huge red herring, then it appears like their purpose is to be perfect infiltrators - so fully human that they don't know they're cylons. They can evidently age, given that we see young!Tigh in some flashbacks, which the regular cylon models don't appear to do (e.g. Cavil is old, and when he dies and comes back, he's still old, so it's not that he started out young). Presuming Nicky is actually Tyrol's kid, they don't seem to have the huge problems reproducing that the other cylons do - and I'd note that the only other cylon who shares those characteristics (the 'sleeper'-style infiltration and bearing children) is Sharon/Eight. So maybe she was also intended to fulfill their purpose (whatever that precisely is) and just didn't quite measure up somehow (due to her emotional issues or ambivalence or whatever...)

My main question at this point is, who made them? There are 'creators', Cavil (or was it Six?) said as much, but we don't know who they are. Humans made the centurions, who rebelled - did humans also make the skinjobs, or did the centurions make them themselves? Or was it someone/something else entirely? This information, I think, has to be one of the big revelations of the final season, unless they're saving that for the 'Caprica' series.

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By which I mean 'what is she being demoted from, exactly, and by who?'

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Well, if it were originally 6 of each, that would make sense, numerologically speaking. But who knows really?

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So what you're saying is: the Cylons had a plan, but they failed to let the writers in on it? ;)

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What I want to know is why Six is the only skin-job who doesn't get a name. :P

She has several! Just none that stick out to the viewers - we've seen more models of her with real distinctions and personalities, where as most of the others have only had one or two memorable roles. Also - the first one we met, and still the one we've seen the most of, is hr Six in Gaius's head - he never named her, and we never got her name from he mini series. I waver on whether I call the 8's Sharon, Boomer, or Athena... or Boomer/Athena.

If I am going to used a generic name for Six I generally call them Caprica.

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That's not right, Caprica is a very specific Six: the war hero who blew Caprica up...

I use the call signs to distinguish Sharons; #1 is Boomer, the new Sharon is Athena, and the rest of them are just Eights.

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It isn't 'right' no, but if I am going to put a name to the model, it is the one I'd use - Name them after the most memorable named version.

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Yeah, she's had several names! Gina Inviere, Shelly Godfrey, Natalie... Just the original one we met didn't have a (known) name - the creators have said they figured Baltar never knew it, even though they were sleeping together for two years ;)

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I figured that he cottoned on pretty fast to the fact that she was some kind of spy, and never asked to protect himself.

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Maybe I'm forgetting a detail here, but what did he call her? Did he know she was "Six" and never questioned whether it was an unusual real name/code name/what? Or did he just call her "hey you, I need some lovin?"

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I don't give him that much credit. I think he just didn't care ;)

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Also, dude, Tigh in the most recent episode! DUDE. There will be fic, oh there will be fic...

Yarrr! That was sweet.

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My theory is that 7 is pretty close to the middle. Six is basically the star, so she gets the other half of the centre, and 9 through 12 are the other humans. That way, you have all the mind-wiped models at the bottom, and all the knowing ones at the top. I wondered before whether the Sharons have always known the rest of the skinjobs, or if it was only when she awoke that the line did too.

Perhaps before she woke up, they were forbidden to discuss the Final Six ... and all traces of that program were wiped when the program that forbids discussing the Five initialized, modifying their memories.

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In one post you have managed to out-fan, out-geek and out-nerd my entire household. Rock on. :-)

Hrm...I'll go on and guess the "newly outted" four are 9-12. I dunno...

9 = Chief - because of the thing with Boomer
10 = Tori (because of the whole propencity towards religion - she seems like the mirror of D'anna)
11 = Anders
12 = Tigh - well, he's "out there" so why not?

But then again I'm just talkin' out my butt. :-P

As far as who the other cylon is, it probably can't be Baltar because that's too obvious. Admiral Adama would be shocking and would fit the pattern with the writers.

Why Boomer's 8? Maybe it has something to do with her not being outted until after the series started?

I think it is most likely that the 7s lead the initial rebellion. When D'Anna sees the face of one of the final five, she first recognizes, and then apologizes to it. Since it was the central figure, it seems safe to assume that this was the one who was the leader. D'Anna mets (or is presumed to have met) everyone else who is revealed as a Cylon later on, but none of the revealed people seem to be the type that would inspire the transformation that occurred in D'Anna.

It is clear from the most recent episodes that the Sharons tend to be emotional and inclined to siding with the group who seems to bring the individuals the most advantage. She's a later model, so it's possible that her programming includes a more emotion based decision process. The Sharons may have originally gone over with 7s and 9-12s, but were convinced to come back. It's even possible that, much like the Sharons in the recent episodes, they divided. Some stayed, some left. Memory of the rebelling Sharons was removed, and due to not having the appropriate resurrection ships, the rebellious Sharons died off.

I spent way too much time thinking of this, btw.

Thinking along similar lines, part of me wonders if the Sharon models couldn't be 7 *and* 8 somehow...

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