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posted by [personal profile] elanya at 12:23am on 25/11/2002
Okay, this is all gamer-y type stuff, so if you don't care, you can stop reading ^-^

In Diablotin, my character, Kalman, want to kill one of the Iperial Princes. Why, you ask? Well, he is a rapist and all arounf asshole. [livejournal.com profile] curtana, the GM, called him "cartoonishly evil." When I told him he had raped one of my friend's girlfriends, he had to ask me to clarify. And he is threatening to marry my sister when she comes of age. (well, not *my* sister, obviously. Kalman's sister. You know what I mean, I hope ;)

Now, kalman is a noble, and he is rich, but he isn't really arrogant, usually. He is a member of the Imperial guard, though, who are technically supposed to guard the Emperor, and his family, but really actaully do general city guard stuff mostly. And I(Kalman) want to kill the Imperial Prince.

Now, yes, I have thought about it, but the Diablotin Justice system works in such away that I can't get him imprisonned or anything for the stuff I know he has done. If I knew who to talk to and could convince them of it, I could maybe get him locked away forever in a padded room in a secret and rarely visited annex of the palace, but I don't know about that in character ;)

He treats the people who guard him personally rather well, and also his friends. Other people know he is a raging asshole, though

So, any ideas about how I can kill this guy? He won't fight my friend, because he knows he would lose. I'm fairly sure he wouldn't fight me either.

Devil Ass must diiiie!
Mood:: 'sleepy' sleepy
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posted by [identity profile] autobuck.livejournal.com at 09:25pm on 24/11/2002
You're a "noble," but is it a title or actual? Do you have land, money? Is there an assassins guild or hitmen for hire you could, uh, hire?

Hell, just pay a band of theives to get in, cut his throat, and take whatever they can grab on the way out... maybe you could supply them with maps or info?
 
posted by [identity profile] elanya.livejournal.com at 09:30pm on 24/11/2002
I'm a noble by birth. I don't have any titles yet but am set to inherit a couple when my father dies, though that's not happening any time soon from natural causes.

I am rich, though, unless my father decides to cut me off. I'm his only male heir, though.

I'd rather kill the bastard myself, but he is well guarded. there are good assassins around though. One of his friends just got it that way... I have no idea how to contact such people though, and there is no convenient guild.



 
posted by [identity profile] ladyiolanthe.livejournal.com at 03:26am on 25/11/2002
Uh, using in-game knowledge only, you might be able to find out where a good assassin can be found. This is just a suggestion, but in game you do know that Falke managed to find out where the Scarlet Sign was. So far he's come up with underworld info just once but is it such a leap to think he might know more?

Of course, you know what they say: A secret known by three people is only a secret when the other two are dead. So it would be perhaps a hard decision to trust Falke with the knowledge that you are plotting to kill someone.
 
posted by [identity profile] elanya.livejournal.com at 08:37am on 25/11/2002
I don't know falke well enough, no. But I do have the gather information skill on my own, you know ;p

But people are missing the point. I don't just want to *have* him killed. I want to *kill him myself*. Although if I knew about Grizzle, maybe he could tell me some secret passages into his rooms or something. Ahhh well... ;)

Rar. DIE DEVIL ASS!
 

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posted by [identity profile] autobuck.livejournal.com at 07:18am on 25/11/2002
I suppose a convenient guild only works on Discworld, huh?

Well, it would be right easy to meet that kind of person, you know. Start slumming it, go to local shady dives and make sure you're dressed like the better-dressed criminals (to make sure you get in with the high class thugs, not the riff raff). Have a few drinks. You might have to perform some crime yourself, to get in their trust. As a guard, you probably know things that could be useful to them... patrol schedules, maybe, or the layout of banks. I don't know. Once you think they trust you a bit, slip in things like "Boy, I sure wish I knew somebody who could kill that bugger" or "I'd pay a mint to see that bastard's throat slit in the night" ...

Sooner or later, somebody will approach you. Remember, half or less in advance, the rest due on a job well done. Meet in a public place where the criminal doesn't stick out. Don't ask for any more details than you absolutely need (where to meet him to pay after the job is done).

Could be a fun sub-plot.
 
posted by [identity profile] elanya.livejournal.com at 08:42am on 25/11/2002
See, the other problem with this is tha my character is chaotic good. Sure, Julie doesn't put *too* mucyh stock in alignments and crap, to my knowledge, but I don't think Kalman is willing to lower himself that far into the crimial life to have this guy done in... He has been known to do the lumming thing, though, only that's not how he thinks of it ;) And he does know where the shady parts of town are, too.
 

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posted by [identity profile] autobuck.livejournal.com at 12:20pm on 25/11/2002
This is a perfecT chaotic good plot. Good smites evil - this ass clown is evil, and hiring an assassin is the only way he can smite this evil. If anything, it's more lawful than chaotic; it just depends on whose laws you're looking at.
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posted by [identity profile] elanya.livejournal.com at 08:39am on 25/11/2002
I'd be content withy poison, but then how do I get close enough to his food? And no, he doesn't *acually* use food tasters, to my knowledge.

If he didn't know I hate him, this would be a lot easier.

On the other hand, I don't think he really thinks I can get at him, either...
 
posted by [identity profile] miseri.livejournal.com at 10:57am on 25/11/2002
Talk to the cook.
 
posted by [identity profile] sorceror.livejournal.com at 09:30am on 25/11/2002

I don't suppose you'd settle for anonymously writing scurrilous epigrams about him? 8^)

I played another noble bard-type in Skaia, and greatly enjoyed writing songs to mock my religious opponents, the intolerant and self-righteous Austercians. Especially when their leader was exposed as as a sodomite... (To the tune of 'Macavity' from 'Cats': "Heath Rafferty, Heath Rafferty, / Conducts himself with gravity, / Condemns all types of worldly vice / And hates moral depravity. / He always plays the part / Of such a sanctimonious bore: / But when nobody looks... / HE BENDS AND TAKES IT LIKE A WHORE !!!!")

Ah, joy. }8^)

Um <*cough*>, anyway, I know you're looking for a solution that's more damaging and permanent: but (semi-)anonymously attacking his reputation is another way of striking at him. If he's unpopular, you can be reasonably sure that the mockery and/or listing of his crimes will spread. And, of course, if it comes to the ear of His Imperial Majesty Grandpapa, that may at least lead to a curtailment of the Prince's evil activities.

For poisoning: find someone prominent at the Court who's been humiliated by the Prince (I assume there will be several candidates), and offer to help them play a practical joke on His Highness by supplying them with a 'diuretic' to slip into his food so he shits himself at an important public function. By the time your patsy realizes that the 'diuretic' was arsenic, it'll be too late. And he or she certainly won't admit to the practical joke.

If you can supply the offer and the poison through a hired intermediary, so much the better; the intermediary will be less recognizable, and is almost sure to high-tail it out of the country when (s)he realizes the Prince is dead. As always, be careful of revenge-seekers and make sure the poison goes to nobody else ("there's only one dose -- don't waste it!").

Risky? Evil? Yes. But that's assassination for you.

Me, I'd stick to scurrilous epigrams. After all, you are talking about a fellow *noble* here.
 
posted by [identity profile] curtana.livejournal.com at 11:01am on 25/11/2002
As the GM of this game, I've tried not to butt into this discussion for fear of seeming to endorse one plan or another. So I won't do that. But I will mention something Heather didn't which might impact the way you think about this question:

The monarchy of Diablotin is not hereditary, but elective. Thus, this prince will almost certainly never become emperor himself. In fact, once his grandfather dies, he becomes nearly indistinguishable in station and power from Kalman.

Just a comment :)
 
posted by [identity profile] sorceror.livejournal.com at 11:40am on 25/11/2002
Ahhh.

So who is eligible for the throne, and who gets to vote in the election?
 
posted by [identity profile] curtana.livejournal.com at 12:10pm on 25/11/2002
Glad you asked :) The monarchy rotates through six Houses, which are not really families, but huge extended, vaguely-related groups (phratries, I believe, is the technical term ;) So, the current Emperor is from the House of the Bear. After he dies, the House of the Lizard gets their turn.

While in theory anyone at all from the House of the Lizard could be the next ruler, in practice it doesn't work quite that way. First, the oldest and more prominent members of the House of the Lizard gather together to pick a short list of candidates. These will almost always be young, bright people chosen from one of a dozen or so traditional noble families. Once that short list is in place (and obviously any of them could back out if they wanted), the real fun begins.

Each potential Emperor or Empress must pass through The Arch. This is an ancient, mystical artifact of unknown power and nature. In some not-entirely-clear way, the Arch evaluates or tests each candidate. Those who are found unworthy are driven insane or killed on the spot. Out of those who aren't (assuming there are some ;), one person will be selected by the Arch (again, in some mysterious way) to rule. They are 'marked' in this process (the nature of the mark reputedly varies from person to person). If no one passes the test, the process begins again until a suitable candidate is found. :)
 
posted by [identity profile] sorceror.livejournal.com at 12:21pm on 25/11/2002
I don't suppose there's any chance Kalman would be eligible for the position at some point in his life? 8^)

Hmmmm.
 
posted by [identity profile] curtana.livejournal.com at 12:27pm on 25/11/2002
It's about as likely as Davilas being eligible, as Kalman is also from the House of the Bear, and about the same age. Because the candidates are usually young, they can sometimes have quite long reigns (the current Emperor is at 49 years and counting, which is higher than normal, but you get the idea). And they have to go through 5 rulers before they'd get back around to Bear again. It is possible if the next rulers all have very short lifespans, but otherwise quite unlikely.
 
posted by [identity profile] gats.livejournal.com at 12:11pm on 25/11/2002
So what you're saying is that if they can manage to kill the Emperor first it will be much easier to kill the prince?
 
posted by [identity profile] curtana.livejournal.com at 12:13pm on 25/11/2002
No comment. :)
 
posted by [identity profile] elanya.livejournal.com at 12:21pm on 25/11/2002
Probably, but I'm not goinvg to kill a senile 80 year old man just to be able to kill his asshole grandson :o

On the other hand, I could just try and be patient...

I suppose it means his standing as Imperial Prince doesn't meant *that* much either.

Also, I don't know if he or his family have any other real titles... Julie?
 
posted by [identity profile] curtana.livejournal.com at 12:37pm on 25/11/2002
Oh yes, the Dyess family certainly have other titles and so forth. They are the Dukes of Ventana, for one. Currently, that's the Emperor's daughter Ombretta (Davilas's mother). Davilas himself has no title atm, though.

Maybe I should add a word (mostly for Heather's benefit) about how titles are passed down. The custom is that a person should only have one title at a time. So, Kalman's great-aunt is the Duchess of Sarande, and his father is the Count of Jura. When the great-aunt dies, the title of Duke of Sarande should pass to Kalman's father, as her nearest living relative. He in turn would pass the title Count of Jura on to Kalman. Should Kalman's father die, Kalman would become Duke of Sarande and give the Countship to his nearest relative. If it happened tomorrow, that would be his sister, who would thus become Countess of Jura. If it happened in 20 years, though, Kalman would hopefully have a child to pass the title on to. If he had no relatives at all, the lesser title would revert to the crown, to be handed out to someone in need of ennoblement ;)
 
posted by [identity profile] elanya.livejournal.com at 01:08pm on 25/11/2002
Oh, I'm sure by then there will be some little vak Andras's running around :D

I was afully curious how that worked though. I like the idea of titles reverting to the crown :o It also explains who nobles of the current Imperial family get all the good titles ;)
 
posted by [identity profile] forthright.livejournal.com at 12:19pm on 25/11/2002
Well, as Julie has suggested, biding your time has political advantages, given that the Emperor is old and Davilas has no chance of ever being Emperor himself. However, it seems to me from the logs of your session that Boden will not be content with this. So, if you have to kill him now, do it right.

Defaming his character is one way, but unfortunately, Davilas seems to be almost proud of his wickedness. And accusing him of being a man-whore isn't likely to work well with your assertion that he raped this girl. But if you can do enough stuff to get him really mad, he might get violent toward you, and then self-defense takes care of the rest. Now, probably you rather than Boden should be the one to do the public insulting and taunting, since I'm not sure how well self-defense would protect Boden, but you're of much higher status and are known to have a beef with Davilas. Also, Boden may not be able to come up with a suitable insult due to his ... limitations. But if you do this, you should be very sure to keep Boden close to you (he is kind of guarding you, right?) both to prevent Davilas from killing you and to allow Boden a chance for his own vengeance.
 
posted by [identity profile] elanya.livejournal.com at 01:05pm on 25/11/2002
That's true. I hadn't mentioned the Boden factor above, but yes, Boden also wants this guy dead. Boden being the guy whose girlfriend was raped ;)

Also, Devil Ass is known to be wicked, but he is very, umm, duplicitous about it. He has a good public face.

I don't think he is stupid enough to be baited into attacking me, unless he were really drunk. But that's not impossible, really. It would be a matter of timing, but I'll think about that...
 
posted by [identity profile] ex-countduck106.livejournal.com at 03:35pm on 25/11/2002
Do they have 'Pop Rocks' in Diablotin? How about 'Coca-Cola'?

I think you get my drift.

 
posted by [identity profile] elanya.livejournal.com at 03:41pm on 25/11/2002
No. But I do have a bit of rudimentary alchemy ;D

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