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posted by [personal profile] elanya at 07:00pm on 12/05/2004
Stolen from some guy on IRC...

In one Nine Inch Nails song, Trent Reznor professes to his love that "if I were twice the man I could be, I'd still be half the man you need." Assuming that Trent is currently 1/3 the man he could be, what fraction is he of the man she needs?
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posted by [identity profile] ianxphoto.livejournal.com at 03:06pm on 12/05/2004
1/12th? ;)

Perhaps a more amusing NIN related math and measurement story...

There was a rumor at one point that Trent Reznor was involved with Courney Love (blech). When asked about this, Ms. Love commented: "Nine Inches? More like three."

A friend of Trent reportedly retorted "Three feet maybe."

Wow.
 
posted by [identity profile] f00dave.livejournal.com at 03:09pm on 12/05/2004
From the former, he was 1/4 the man she needed at the time, he's now slipped from being 1/2 the man he could be to 1/3 the man he could be, a reduction of 1/3 / 1/2, or 2/3. Thus, he's 1/4 * 2/3 the man she needs, or 1/6 the man she needs, or approximately 0.1667 the man she needs.

And that's not much of a man at all, is it?

=)
 
posted by [identity profile] astatine210.livejournal.com at 04:03pm on 12/05/2004
As the failings are actually a lack of self-esteem and an annoying degree of navel-gazing introspection, no amount of mathematics will solve the problem.

I suggest beer.
 
posted by [identity profile] thegreatgonzo.livejournal.com at 01:44am on 13/05/2004
Beer is evil!
 
posted by [identity profile] rumor-esq.livejournal.com at 07:27pm on 12/05/2004
If 2r = 1/2m,
then r = 1/4m,
then 1/3r = 1/(3*4)m = 1/12m.

Thus, If Reznor were one-third of the man he could be, he would only be one-twelth of the man she needs.
 
posted by [identity profile] f00dave.livejournal.com at 09:01pm on 12/05/2004
Math wrong! See above! ;-)
 
posted by [identity profile] rumor-esq.livejournal.com at 09:08pm on 12/05/2004
I posted my comment _after_ yours, Dave. What does that suggest to you?
 
posted by [identity profile] f00dave.livejournal.com at 04:19am on 13/05/2004
It suggests that you found a flaw in my math. But! Please allow me to point out that the flaw is, in fact, in *your* calculation... :-]

If 2r = 1/2m,
then r = 1/4m,


This is fine. (Allow me to name the variables, for clarity. Thus, 'r' is "the man he could be" and 'm' is "the man she needs".)

then 1/3r = 1/(3*4)m = 1/12m.

This is wrong, because you took 1/3 of r instead of replacing r in the original equation! By doing so you make Two Inch Trent exactly 1/(2*3) = 1/6 the man he could be, which contradicts the statement that he "is currently 1/3 the man he could be". The only logical recourse is to either convert by ratio (my original method, chosen since it was more convoluted) or just resolve the equation with the new coefficent: 3 r = 1/2 m.

Proof by contradiction! Who knew it would prove so useful? *ahem* ;-)
 
posted by [identity profile] mrpyro.livejournal.com at 04:41am on 13/05/2004
Actually, the flaw is in an assumption that you are making.

If I were twice the man I could be

Nowhere in this line is it specified how much of the man he could be he actually is at the moment. Therefore the value of 1/3 does not replace any existing value in the equation; it is a new value.

So, r is the man he could be. m is the man she needs.

if I were twice the man I could be, I'd still be half the man you need

2r = 1/2m, therefore 4r = m

Assuming that Trent is currently 1/3 the man he could be

t = trent

t = 1/3r, therefore 3t = r

Substituting t into 4r = m gives us

4(3t) = m, therefore 12t = m, therefore t = 1/12m
 
posted by [identity profile] f00dave.livejournal.com at 05:48am on 13/05/2004
The difference is due to a relativist (you guys) versus absolutist (me guys) positioning. The whole thing is quite silly anyway. ;-)

A more interesting problem is in an application of either of these two values (1/6 or 1/12). Assuming she needs a 12" man, then Trent has either 2" or 1", depending. I conjecture that, since Two Inch Trent has a "better ring to it" than One Inch Trent, the former is obviously true, which means that my (absolutist) position is clearly superior.

And we all know Trent is a tit, so it works out beautifully.

Suck on that, you gothy music-listening types!

=D
 
posted by [identity profile] rumor-esq.livejournal.com at 08:15am on 13/05/2004
Unfortunately, what you said doesn't make any sense to me. I'm just not grasping what you're trying to say because of the way you're saying it. Perhaps there are assumptions in your explanation that remain unexplained.

Anyway, all I did was multiply both sides by 1/3 and then followed through with the correct algebra. There's nothing wrong in that approach, because (and here's the algebraic assumption that I left implicit, because Lannie had stated it at the beginning):

trent = t = 1/3r

As I showed earlier: 1/3r = 1/12m
Thus: t = 1/12m
Thus: trent is 1/12 of the man she needs.

Voila.

 
posted by [identity profile] rumor-esq.livejournal.com at 09:47pm on 13/05/2004
Out of curiosity, which NIN song were you referring to? I know of two with this same verse...

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