elanya | thinking about memes, thinking about thinking...

Right's it's early in the morning, so my brain should be all fresh and alert right?

I've been thinking about memes. SOme of the ones I see go by... mostly the randomly generated quizes, are silly. Sometimes they are amusingly silly, in their own way, or when interpreted correctly. I like taking them for fake people and seeing how they turn out.

Some of them are neat, like the interview one, for instance, or the one where you tell people honestly what you think of them. Or the picture one, where people leave you pictures that make them think of you. In a way, it's egotistical, yes, but it is also an interesting way of seeing what people think of you, and of contrasting perceptions between your friends and between yourself and your friends. I really don't see what's wrong with that. And even if it is 'only' ego stroking, what's wrong with that? Isn't self validation part of the reason we need people? Is it more acceptable to troll for comliments subtly than to ask for them?

Some of memes are creative, like the one that

eljuno posted last night, where you leave a comment and he makes you an icon based on one of your lj interests. I think it's pretty nifty, but I won't be joining since I couldn't design an icon if my life depended it. Well I won't be offering you that opportunity, I did ask Juno for an icon. (And my apologies in regards to pronouns by the way, I'm not quite sure where things fall, so to speak...). Just because you're participating in something that other people have done first, does that mean that it isn't worthwhile?

Anyway, I do have more things to say on the subject, but I have to be off to class...

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Possibly... I don't agree with it 100% either. But I don't think it is a *conscious* way of thinking.

I don't thik you have to be insecure to want to be noticed, for instance. I would define you as being an attention hound, but not as insecure. Why do you like to be the center of attention?

I think there's a difference between wanting to be noticed and fishing for compliments. As a dancer, for instance, I don't dance so people will tell me how great I am, but I dance to make other people happy. I like for people to experience things I experience, and to think about things in new ways.

I think that the point of fishing for compliments is often simply to have people notice you, and to have them note that you are in some way remarkable.

If I know someone is fishing for compliments, I generally find it pathetic.

So do I, a lot of the time, but I still do it... See posts on writing ;)

But people don't always do it consciously, as I said before. I think that a lot of the things that people, in general, do to get themselves noticed are also pretty pathetic (reality tv anyone?), but I think that they stem from the same reasons.

I just thought of something else... Which is that when I do things, like perform, or write, or whatever, and I'm seeking praise or feedback for it, it is because I want to know if I am doing a good job of pleasing my audience, as you put it, which is why we do things, right? It is satisfying to know that you are doing a good job, but without feedback, how do you know?

Yes, people give feedback of their own accord from time to time, but not always. And it depends on the venue. I find that after dance performances, for example, it is easier to get feedback from other dancers. Partly it is a matter of community, and partly a matter of energy, I think. People are less likely to leave comments on written work unless directly solicited, and even then... This is based on my experience with various story-telling groups, more than with LJ, which is a more communicative medium.

I believe there is a significant difference between fishing for praise and seeking feedback. In the former, you are looking only for the positive, whereas in the latter, you are looking for information, whether positive or negative.

When I look for feedback, I'm trying to find ways to improve what I'm doing. One of the reasons I stopped going to the Albert Ross Society's creative writing group was because it was a whole bunch of back-patting, and no real constructive criticism. It was useless to me as a writer. Sure, it's nice to hear that people like your story, but if all you hear is how nice a story is, without ever getting any useful information on how to improve, the whole experience becomes vacuous.

Yes, I like to know what I'm doing right, but I find it more important to know what I'm doing wrong.

My goal as an artist/entertainer isn't necessarily to please my audience, but to make them think or feel. For example, I've written some things which have inspired outrage rather than pleasure.

I agree... I would raher have more comments on a piece that I have written than "I like it!", but I find that the first step is finding out if it has been read at all, so when people leave me an 'I like it!" comment, I will tend to pursue them for more specifics. If they did like it, I want to know why so I can keep doing whatever to at least that standard. If they didn't, well, then I want to know why, so I can fix it (unless I disagree).

And earlier you said that you like to dance to make your audience happy, which is what I was drawing on, although, yes, that is over simplified. In any artistic form, there are multiple emptional responses that we can aim for. If I can write something that makes some one cry, well, that's an achievement ^-^

I think there is kind of a blurry line between praise seeking and imput seeking. I know that I would rather hear that I'm doing a good job than a poor one, but I ultimately prefer *honest* comments. I'm 'seeking praise' in the sense that I hope I am doing well, not in the sense that I want people to lie to me to make me feel good. But it is still the praise that I'm ultimately after, because, as I said, that's what tells me I am succeeding in my intentions. And it's all about intent right? ^-^

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